because david tennant isn't quite famous enough

[sab]

Oh, people. NOT okay, not okay, NOT a good idea!

Doctor Who specials, no spoilers, just a TERRIBLE IDEA.

lizlet, HOLD ME. HOLD MEEEEE.

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[lizlet.livejournal.com]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Do you mean hold you or restrain you?

[iamsab.livejournal.com]

No, no, I definitely mean hold me while I moan. Oh, no, wait. I mean restrain me while I destroy things in fury and desperation.

SAY IT'S NOT SO, weird British tabloid! SAY IT'S NOT SO!

[lizlet.livejournal.com]

We have two options at this point, is the way I see it: he either gets EVEN MORE RIDICULOUSLY FAMOUS in Britain, or he comes to America and returns to his previous vaguely-well-known level of famous -- just in a different geographic location. I think it'll even him out. I think it'll save us all.

(It certainly helps, btw, that his American accent at this point basically consists of a bad Elvis impersonation. Oh, the crashing and burning that might ensue.)

[lizlet.livejournal.com]

I see crashing and burning as a potentially good thing, btw. Because we'll always forgive him it.

[zauberer-sirin.livejournal.com]

OH GOD NO NO NO. Just. NO.

Please to be leaving Tennant alone. We need him to be less popular, not more!

[iamsab.livejournal.com]

THIS is my point precisely. I mean, if he gets any hotter he will CATCH FIRE and it is DANGEROUS to play with fire!

*holds head, moans*

[zauberer-sirin.livejournal.com]

I know. and it's horrible as it is. after seeing the mobbing he suffered doing Hamlet I more than ever convinced that he needs to GTFO of Doctor Who if he was to have a normal career, let alone a normal life.

[iamsab.livejournal.com]

I said the same thing. He is actually cripplingly famous right now and the last thing he needs is a new host of crazed American sci-fi fans and teenaged swooning fangirls. Even as I was braving the teeming hordes at the Courtyard stage door, I was thinking, this guy's got to get off of Doctor Who as soon as possible; this amount of fan attention is destructive to him, and we're all watching it happen right before our eyes.

They're ALREADY talking about a possible Broadway run after Hamlet finishes on the West End. That at least would bring him to America as Hamlet, you know, instead of that other guy on TV who collects fans by the truckload....

[zauberer-sirin.livejournal.com]

this amount of fan attention is destructive to him, and we're all watching it happen right before our eyes.

Exactly. It's terrible. People don't understand when I say that I wish he would leave DW because I love him too much. But the fame it's killing him. I want him to have an almost low-key career ding fantastic, humble things like Recovery and Learners and doing amazing theatre plays like "The pillowman". I love him too much to see him become tabloids meat.

[iamsab.livejournal.com]

Yes. Yes. That's exactly it. People don't understand me either, every time I moan at another article lauding his crazy fanbase and his massive popularity.

FINE, for a Hollywood movie star. That is NOT THIS GUY. He is NOT THAT GUY. And we are NOT THOSE FANS. You and me, I mean. *g*

Gorgeous Recovery icon.

[zauberer-sirin.livejournal.com]

But we are the best kind of fans. If everybody were like us, there'll be no problem. But they are not. They are non-discerning fans. And rude. And they don't really care about Tennant. I mean, when I saw the mobbing I didn't even try to make it to the stage door because I DIDN'T WANT TO ADD TO THE CRAZY. Because fuck, I love him and his happiness is more important that getting an autograph so in no way I'm going to contribute to something that makes him uncomfortable.

People are just sheep sometimes. I love Doctor Who and yet I loathe the kind of fans I see at events and stuff. WTF is up with that.

Really, being a good, polite fan pays off. That's how John Simm and I are on such good terms.

[iamsab.livejournal.com]

I nearly left the stage door mob myself, but I had FLOWERS to give him, and wasn't interested in an autograph, so I figured I could just hand the flowers to SOMEBODY, with my note, and not clamor or yell out for anything. As it turned out -- as I wrote in my post -- I ended up tossing my flowers at his feet, and got a "thank you," but amid the screaming mob he just looked exhausted and never once cracked a smile, and it just about broke my heart.

Even now thinking back on the press of bodies that night I wish I could somehow have made it better, have stood up and told everyone to just GO THE FUCK AWAY. Even me.

[zauberer-sirin.livejournal.com]

I didn't stay mainly because I had met him already twice (well, twice and a half if you count the little, non-speaking brush at the Brit Awards entrance) and I'm going back for "Love's Labour Lost" so I guessed I could try luck other day.

God, I wanted to hold him so much. And kill everybody there. People should be handled tests beforehand to find out if they are true Tennant fans or just Whotards. We spent a lot of time thinking about which questions should be in the test, like "Have you read David's articles in Players of Shakespeare? No? Then fuck off?" or "What was the name of David's character in Takin Over The Asylum?", that sort of thing, and if you didn't answer correctly, you were not allowed to go to the stage door.

I was a bit pissed off that the other actors didn't came out (at least when I went) because of the mobbing, cause I really wanted to congratulate Peter de Jersey on his Horatio.

[iamsab.livejournal.com]

Yeah, getting to have drinks with Peter de Jersey for an hour ALMOST made me feel better. ALMOST. I did say to him, "tell David you met the chick who gave him the flowers, and that she's cool and not crazy." On the other hand, it was FREEZING and we'd had many, many drinks at that point.

His Horatio really WAS amazing, no? I went back the next morning to drop off flowers for him, too. Now I want to send a letter to him c/o the theater and tell him his performance still resonates with me. It was a really, REALLY good Horatio.

[zauberer-sirin.livejournal.com]

God, I have the most enormous crush on him right now. I mean, for me Horatio will always be the heart of the play in a way. He is the moral centre in many aspects and he makes Hamlet human and closer to the audience. Cause I believe, without Horatio's love for him colouring our perception (very subtly but my, Shakespeare was great at these things) Hamlet would be just a jerk. A murderous jerk on top of that. And Hamlet knows this, that's why he asks Horatio to live to tell his story at the end. Because without a sympathetic narrator Hamlet's acts are monstruous and quite undecypherable.

Okay, maybe it's just that Horatio might be my favourite character in Shakespeare and I tend to judge a production by its Horatio (the Horatio -can't remember the name- in Stafford's Castle with Joseph Millson as perfect, PERFECT Hamlet, was very good, too. but ginger. i couldn't get past the fact he was a ginger Horatio).

But yeah, Peter de Jersey is one of the best things about the production.

[iamsab.livejournal.com]

You know, I see Horatio very similarly. I always feel like, Hamlet idealized his father as the fair-faced good-hearted conquering hero of a king, and spends his whole emo period trying to avenge him while at the same time proving he was worthy of his father's love -- that he's as awesome as his father was.

So asking Horatio to draw thy breath in pain to tell his story is Hamlet asking Horatio to effectively honor him the way Hamlet honored his father.

And Hamlet Sr. is painted so large that he has to live on after his death, death can't contain him, so Hamlet wants to make sure he leaves a legacy as strong as his father's.

So I feel like him telling Horatio to mourn forever is a hugely selfish and self-aggrandizing request, and sort of horrible, and it's only Horatio's LOVE for him, as you said, that keeps it from being a hideous request. You know, Hamlet never felt put-upon to bear out his father's legacy, and Horatio, with all his loyalty and love to give, would mourn Hamlet and tell his story forever without a second thought.

Mmmm, Horatio.

[zauberer-sirin.livejournal.com]

YEAH! RIGHT! EXACTLY!

So I feel like him telling Horatio to mourn forever is a hugely selfish and self-aggrandizing request, and sort of horrible, and it's only Horatio's LOVE for him, as you said, that keeps it from being a hideous request.

Yes, I always thought that was quite nasty of him. Only thinking about himself, uh, our Hamlet. Not that I don't love, but he has such asshole moments that it's really a miracle the audience doesn't give up on him.

And Hamlet/Horatio is my Shakes OTP but man, are they fucked. I have this crazy idea for a tv series about Hamlet and his years studying in Wittenberg, from Horatio's POV. And Hamlet would hang around Ros and Guil and poor Horatio would be left a bit apart, cause he is not so noble or rich or cool as the three friends. But he would make up for it by giving Hamlet lots of blowjobs. And he would talk to camera a lot. And in the end it's only when Hamlet is back at home and alone and fatherless that he realizes how awesome Horatio is, blowjobs nonwithstanding.

Yeah, that's the kind of ideas I come up with for my classes. Pitching that show to the teacher was quite hilarious, let me tell you that.

[iamsab.livejournal.com]

Okay, write that story please. NOW. *g*

[iamsab.livejournal.com]

What night were you there? After me, I think. I saw it on Aug 4, which was press night... a mixed blessing in and of itself.

[zauberer-sirin.livejournal.com]

i went the first night. 24 of july.

which was weird. and David was very nervous. but now I have tickets for the last performance in London, too, so I guess it's fitting that I saw the start of it all as well.

I sound like a crazy Tennant fangirl but it's also the play as well. My love affair with "Hamlet" knows no bounds of sanity or money.

[iamsab.livejournal.com]

[what I wrote after Hamlet]

[what I wrote two years ago regarding his impending destructive fame]

What are we gonna dooooo? And how did it end up happening that I didn't see you when I was in London? That was so wrong of me. Well, when I come for the West End run, you're coming with me.

Unless it all explodes in a fiery madness before then. David, we know EXACTLY wherefore you've lost your mirth. *sigh*

[zauberer-sirin.livejournal.com]

I don't know, it was a crazy summer for me too. With visits and all. We should have met anyway, totally.

Oh, god, the West End run is going to be crazy, yes. But oh, well, i have tickets to see it four times already so go figures. I must be masochist to brave the hoards of crazy fangirls like that.

[iamsab.livejournal.com]

And now I'm feeling bad about it all over again. David, we're sorry. Really.

[blairprovence.livejournal.com]

I don't know that his filming in America would change his level of fame at all - unless the specials were actual movie-theatre movies or something, or they sold them to a different TV network than the show is on right now. If they are shown on SciFi or BBCA, I don't think it would change his level of fame appreciably. Especially SciFi - they're terrible at promoting the show as it is.

And if getting him away from crazy British fans would lengthen his Dr. Who tenure, I say we roll out the welcome mat! I'll buy him dinner.