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May. 2nd, 2003 06:01 amTime for an Ambienated State of the Sab address.
Currently. I'm rewatching Band of Brothers and remembering I'd come across a BoB LJ community where there'd been a discussion about BoB slash. Here, lemme find it: (this thread). First off, this show has the best theme music, point blank, ever. At this late Ambienated stage, I don't know how to use "point blank" though I know enough to know it's not like "carte blanche." Second of all, the discussion above relates to the writing of BoB slash. There's a pair, in the miniseries, Damian Lewis' Capt. Richard Winters and Ron Livingston's Captain Nixon. Nix/Winters slash would be the immediate pairing, were this a fiction show. They offer us just the slashy things we look for (soulful glances, touches, taking care of each other, best friends, the whole shootinpatch) in traditional television programs we slash. Were this a fictional series depicting two guys like that in that kind of relationship, we'd have NO trouble slashing 'em, Nix/Winters would be the OTP of that fandom. But the question arises, because it IS a true story, and not only that, but the real Captain Nixon and Captain Winters are real PEOPLE, alive, and out somewhere.
So what's the policy on slashing characters based on real people? Real ALIVE people? In "Titanic", could you have slashed Kate Winslet's Rose with Kathy Bates' Molly Brown? Despite the fact that Rose isn't a real person, Molly Brown sure is, was, and is dead now. Can you cross over like that? Now that was of course given that someone out there is indeed writing Titanic fiction, and I shudder to think that there are.
This isn't the same as rps when it's Lance Bass and Nsync being slashed together, that would be if we were trying to slash Damian LEWIS and Ron Livingston together, say, while they were working on the set of the show. That would be RPS. But Lewis PLAYS a character, and Livingston PLAYS a character, and it's simply unfortunate to slash that the characters they play are themSELVES real people. Alive, and watching the show when it airs.
Such a tough issue. Would slashing Winters/Nixon as they are in the show -- ie, would writing a fic set during the war, during the SHOW wherein we get Winter/Nixon slash -- would that automatically insist that we also slash these two old guys we see in the documentary portions of the show -- the REAL Nixon and the REAL Winter. How far does slash extend, I guess is what I'm saying, beyond the end of our show.
Is it okay to slash these people? The problem is the CONTEXT, and this is where many of our metafandom multifandom ideas come from.
When you fic a show -- take X-Files -- you write a story set in the X-Files world. You slash Mulder and Skinner or whoever and it's set in some sort of X-Files related universe. Then if you want to do RPS, you might slash Duchovny and Nick Lea, you know, kicking it up around LA and going home to their houses.
If we wanted to do RPS with Winter/Nix, we wouldn't get the context -- we'd get Damian Lewis and Ron Livingston on the set, as I said.
But something like this, or, say, even slashing something like Apollo 13 -- REAL events, based on REAL people -- is that something we can do? What's the definition of RPS when it relates to actors playing characters of real people?
Before. I was sad about my G leaving and I watched a lot of Cube 2. Cubes and squares make things better. I am sad about her leaving. I will ache when she goes. I will not recover for a while. I might get nasty. Be nice to me. Be nice to her too. She's going off to a place where she doesn't really have friends who understand. Be nice to her when she's in Australia, having a hard time, and missing me. Everybody be nice.
Today. I meant to get book marketing done but I discovered I didn't have the right press releases and I was supposed to have gotten the press releases last week. Of course, since I only realized this today, I'll have to have another cram night tomorrow getting things done.![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
brynna, se_parsons, all of you, you want in?
I meant to do that today so I could write tonight withrunpunkrun, but tiny Ephram ate her brain a little, just chewed mostly, so she was off fighting with him and making demands, so we didn't get to write tonight. Hopefully we'll do that, not tomorrow because it's book maps and then moving boxes at boxmint's house. Maybe Saturday, after the X-Men, unless we have plans, G, do we have plans? Otherwise maybe Sunday. runpunkrun, we must write! pene, melymbrosia, boxmint, yankeeb we must see the X-Men!
I must to slpee!
Currently. I'm rewatching Band of Brothers and remembering I'd come across a BoB LJ community where there'd been a discussion about BoB slash. Here, lemme find it: (this thread). First off, this show has the best theme music, point blank, ever. At this late Ambienated stage, I don't know how to use "point blank" though I know enough to know it's not like "carte blanche." Second of all, the discussion above relates to the writing of BoB slash. There's a pair, in the miniseries, Damian Lewis' Capt. Richard Winters and Ron Livingston's Captain Nixon. Nix/Winters slash would be the immediate pairing, were this a fiction show. They offer us just the slashy things we look for (soulful glances, touches, taking care of each other, best friends, the whole shootinpatch) in traditional television programs we slash. Were this a fictional series depicting two guys like that in that kind of relationship, we'd have NO trouble slashing 'em, Nix/Winters would be the OTP of that fandom. But the question arises, because it IS a true story, and not only that, but the real Captain Nixon and Captain Winters are real PEOPLE, alive, and out somewhere.
So what's the policy on slashing characters based on real people? Real ALIVE people? In "Titanic", could you have slashed Kate Winslet's Rose with Kathy Bates' Molly Brown? Despite the fact that Rose isn't a real person, Molly Brown sure is, was, and is dead now. Can you cross over like that? Now that was of course given that someone out there is indeed writing Titanic fiction, and I shudder to think that there are.
This isn't the same as rps when it's Lance Bass and Nsync being slashed together, that would be if we were trying to slash Damian LEWIS and Ron Livingston together, say, while they were working on the set of the show. That would be RPS. But Lewis PLAYS a character, and Livingston PLAYS a character, and it's simply unfortunate to slash that the characters they play are themSELVES real people. Alive, and watching the show when it airs.
Such a tough issue. Would slashing Winters/Nixon as they are in the show -- ie, would writing a fic set during the war, during the SHOW wherein we get Winter/Nixon slash -- would that automatically insist that we also slash these two old guys we see in the documentary portions of the show -- the REAL Nixon and the REAL Winter. How far does slash extend, I guess is what I'm saying, beyond the end of our show.
Is it okay to slash these people? The problem is the CONTEXT, and this is where many of our metafandom multifandom ideas come from.
When you fic a show -- take X-Files -- you write a story set in the X-Files world. You slash Mulder and Skinner or whoever and it's set in some sort of X-Files related universe. Then if you want to do RPS, you might slash Duchovny and Nick Lea, you know, kicking it up around LA and going home to their houses.
If we wanted to do RPS with Winter/Nix, we wouldn't get the context -- we'd get Damian Lewis and Ron Livingston on the set, as I said.
But something like this, or, say, even slashing something like Apollo 13 -- REAL events, based on REAL people -- is that something we can do? What's the definition of RPS when it relates to actors playing characters of real people?
Before. I was sad about my G leaving and I watched a lot of Cube 2. Cubes and squares make things better. I am sad about her leaving. I will ache when she goes. I will not recover for a while. I might get nasty. Be nice to me. Be nice to her too. She's going off to a place where she doesn't really have friends who understand. Be nice to her when she's in Australia, having a hard time, and missing me. Everybody be nice.
Today. I meant to get book marketing done but I discovered I didn't have the right press releases and I was supposed to have gotten the press releases last week. Of course, since I only realized this today, I'll have to have another cram night tomorrow getting things done.
brynna, se_parsons, all of you, you want in?I meant to do that today so I could write tonight with
runpunkrun, but tiny Ephram ate her brain a little, just chewed mostly, so she was off fighting with him and making demands, so we didn't get to write tonight. Hopefully we'll do that, not tomorrow because it's book maps and then moving boxes at boxmint's house. Maybe Saturday, after the X-Men, unless we have plans, G, do we have plans? Otherwise maybe Sunday. runpunkrun, we must write! pene, melymbrosia, boxmint, yankeeb we must see the X-Men!I must to slpee!
